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Is Margate Crime Out Of Control?

A resident of Margate's Sweyn Road yesterday contacted us in distress over goings-on in her neighborhood, and elsewhere in Margate, including EXCLUSIVE photographs

Sweyn Road children vandals

I'm totally appalled by the state of a once great tourist full town! she told us, describing how on Sunday afternoon she witnessed outside of her Sweyn Road (Cliftonville) residency three children, two with badminton rackets, one with a table tennis paddle, taking rubbish out their own bins and hitting the bottles around while the rest was going everywhere

Even more worryingly, she told me of how their guardian was just stood in the front garden doing nothing, suggesting that they considered this behaviour to be acceptable.

Television dumping

Around the same time, two men were also seen taking a large television on a sack barrow and putting it around the back of the house opposite our reader, then they left hastily.

This television dumping is a violation of the law and punishable by hefty fines, but the only alternatives for ridding one's home of unwanted hardware, furniture or white goods can be pricey. Do you think that the Council should offer a cheaper alternative to reduce this occurrence?

I lived in Gordon Road, the road next to Sweyn Road, for six months, during which time I experienced similar problems. I was burgled and many expensive goods were taken, and the road was full of furniture and hardware that had simply been abandoned.

There have been a concerning rise in the amount of burglaries, vandalism, littering and other such crimes in Cliftonville and elsewhere in Margate this year.

According to statistics, that area of Cliftonville had twenty to thirty more crimes each month in 2013 than in 2012. Other areas of Margate are not much better. A total of five-hundred and eighty-six crimes were reported in October this year alone. Anti-social behaviour is the highest statistic.

Thanet District Council have reported on crime statistics on their website, with a detailed breakdown which claims that many statistics have decreased in the past few years, but there are no statistics for 2013, and has a very different story.

Is it time that Thanet District Council and Kent Police did something to improve these concerning statistics?

Or is it time that the people took matters into their own hands? Should we have more Neighborhood Watch schemes?


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This Helpful Normal comment was left by Illisia [score: 2]:

UPDATE: According to my calculations using statistics from, Margate had a total of 7145 crimes between October 2012 and 2013, which is an average of 595 crimes per month, meaning ONE-HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN CRIMES PER WEEK, which is more than most areas of London.
16/12/2013 15:22:10

This Informative Golden comment was left by Dan [score: 7]:

I live in Edgar Road and was nearly burgled one night in September - the lights were off but unbeknownst to the would-be intruder I was in and awake, so they were told to fuck off as they attempted to crowbar one of the rear windows open.

It definitely seems to be getting worse round here. When I moved in here in 2009 the neighbourhood wasn't too bad - a bit rough around the edges - but it's definitely deteriorated noticeably in the last year or so.

I don't think there's one single cause, rather several factors coming together to create a perfect storm: unemployment and poverty exacerbated by austerity being the two main ones I would point my finger at.
16/12/2013 16:11:15

This Helpful Normal comment was left by Peter Checksfield [score: 2]:

Did they call the police about the children, or just take photos? Just curious.

Must say it still seems pretty decent where I am in Westbrook, probably better than a few years ago in fact. I do have to email TDC about fly tipping every once in a while, but to give them credit they usually reply within a hour or two and remove the dumped rubbish either they same day or the next morning.
16/12/2013 17:05:13

This Insightful Golden comment was left by Matt B [score: 4]:

The area suffers from bouts of dumping fairly regularly from what I understand. Perhaps a Ramsgate has might be very effective here if anyone cares enough to run one.
17/12/2013 00:30:45

This Helpful Normal comment was left by Peter Checksfield [score: 2]:

So, did they contact the police or not Matt?? And what about TDC? People complain that they don't do anything about anti-social behavior, but they're not psychic and can only do anything if they're informed. Perhaps another route too is social services, as these kids obviously aren't being cared for properly.
17/12/2013 06:12:23

This Helpful Normal comment was left by Peter Checksfield [score: 2]:

I would also suggest contacting your local councillors. Some are great and some are useless, but this is exactly the kind of thing we pay them for. Keep us updated on how you get on.
17/12/2013 10:24:48

This Normal comment was left by Bob [score: 0]:

Margate is a shit hole and just getting worse,thankfully i moved away years ago!!
17/12/2013 20:00:51

This Normal comment was left by Neil [score: 0]:

Wait its only going to get worse our border are open to more 21 million bulgarian and Romanian foreign nationals from Jan 1st
18/12/2013 07:12:22

This Normal comment was left by Matt B [score: 0]:

Calm down Neil, the entire population of Romania is only 21 Million. I doubt the whole country wants to move over here. I am curious as to where those numbers came from though, if you would not mind tell me.

I, for one, Bob hope to make Thanet better but I appreciate how off-putting the area can be especially when the "news" is the few that make things bad rather than the many that are well behaved and working hard.

I have no idea Peter, I did not write this story and although I have met the person the lead came in from it was our Illisia that was contacted. I expect she will comment here in answer to your question if given sufficient time.
18/12/2013 12:07:00

This Helpful Normal comment was left by Illisia [score: 2]:

Peter, to answer your question, I inquired with the informant, she replied "No I didn't, they do nothing about it."

I have spoken with this person in the past about the crime in her area and she has reported many, many incidents to the authorities, but it would appear that on this occasion she did not, likely, as she says, because she has reached the conclusion that nothing is ever done about it.

My personal experience is, unfortunately, similar. I have reported around a dozen incidents (robbery, burglary, attack, etc) in 2012 and 2013, none of which have actually been resolved... It is concerning that others have had the same problem with our policing system...
18/12/2013 12:17:15

This Helpful Normal comment was left by Peter Checksfield [score: 2]:

I strongly recommend she tries other means then - TDC, councillors, social services, MPs.

I for one had to put up with some anti-social neighbours a couple of years ago, and after getting in contact with TDC and keeping a diary of events, they got evicted. I'm sure matt will confirm that it's there job to help in these situations too.
18/12/2013 14:25:49

This Helpful Normal comment was left by Karl [score: 2]:

I too live in cliftonville. Although my flat is nice the area is terrible. I have called the police many times because of anti social behaviour but as of yet not one arrest.The police do attend when called but there needs to be more pro-active policing of the area. I remember when I was a teen If we would be in groups of more than 5 or out after the summer curfew time we would be spoken to by the police. Why is the policing different in Cliftonville??
I regularly see large groups of teens standing on the corners by the apollo corner shop, day and night. Fair enough if thats all they do but its not, they intentionally intimidate people and cause trouble.
If the police would spend more time on the ground talking to people and tackling antisocial crime like littering, loitering and drinking alcohol on the street. I'm sure we would see a noticeable change.

Get the police out of Mc Donalds and back on the street!
18/12/2013 17:15:50

This Normal comment was left by Matt B [score: 0]:

I can indeed confirm that it is part of the Council's remit to deal with antisocial behaviour. I understand that this used to be something that the police handled but this is no longer the case which is perhaps why they seem so disinterested sometimes.
19/12/2013 23:10:48

This Normal comment was left by Richard [score: 0]:

"Anti social behaviour" is a phrase that means whatever its user intends.

Reporting to police ? Make the report every time and keep a record. The ASBO people may suss for themselves, be told by other ASBO tricksters or by social workers or council officers the trick ? Complain against the complainer. Say you feel intimidated by the complainer.

Peter, for example, would have been very vulnerable to that trick. Cite some of his blog comment and smug self assured behaviour and tendency to want to meet people face to face.

So the ASBO complaint becomes a "Neighbour dispute". Now the police get interested for the first time. It means they might get to nick someone at the end of their tether who is tempted to take the law into their own hands.

I spoke with a Midlands copper (ex Gordon Highlander) who told me that in Crewe over 18 years the family who made the most calls to police was one notorious anti social family. Changing complaints against them into neighbour disputes offering the council to enter "Mediation", making the innocent neighbourts look guilty because t6hey refuse council mediation. Manipulate police into arresting neighbours they have driven beyond self control.

What Simon Moores needs to learn is that private landlords don't have to sit back and be made responsible via licensing schemes. Just issue a non blaiming repossession order against any ASBO family the council plays up about. The day before the bailliffs are due the anti social behaviour family become priority for the council to house. Your problem now Mr Licensing Scheme Cllr ENJOY !

I have lost count of the number of right to buy ex council house owners who have lamented how house ownership on asbo dominated estates has trapped them in blighted value property. Ha ha ha Thanks Maggie the reality and the tragedy of the property owning democracy.
22/12/2013 11:53:16
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