Thanet Star

Airports, nights and flights

Lufty Jumbo Jet

With the "big" consultation open what are the main issues and where do you stand on them?

In case you were visiting the little green men for the past few years you will know that a decision is about to be made on allowing more flights at night from Manston Airport. Thanet District Council have asked for our views on the matter and I suggest that this time we make sure they get them.

When our council "consulted" on the direct election of the council leader 100% of responses said "yes" but they concluded that the number was low enough to be ignored. Your opinion is too important to be trusted to "fate" (or the whims of those that can justify ignoring a consultation 100% in favour of something).

To quote Michael Child:

The council havenít made this an easy one, you canít just enter your name and postcode and tick, yes I want night flights of no I donít want night flights. What you have to do is send them an email or write to them.

Responses must contain your full name and address (WITH YOUR POSTCODE) either email your response to consultation@thanet.gov.uk or post it to:

Thanet District Council,
PO Box 9,
Margate,
CT9 1XZ

What are the core issues of flights at night from Manston Airport?

jumbo jet
On the face of it the question is should we allow modern fixed wing air craft aka aeroplanes to fly (mostly over Ramsgate) from our local airport during the wee small hours. I would like to suggest this is not the issue.

It is true that the application is asking for permission to fly (jet) planes at night but the decision is not so much about noise as it is about the reasonableness of the request.

If we say "yes" then we also say yes to a few houses losing value. To a few people being forced to move and a few lives disrupted. Those that this will happen to truly have my deepest sympathy. For them the "yes" will always be unjust.

But our council must balance the needs of all groups with at least some attempt at big picture fairness. So the question is one of an exchange. A trade if you will.

The big question is not are the flights a good idea - in an ideal world we would simply teleport to our destinations - rather the question is this: Is the cost of allowing these flights worth the value we will gain from it.

For the airport operators the value of a "yes" is huge and the cost is so minimal as to be negligible. For those disrupted the cost is high - very high even - and the benefit is zero.

What about the rest of us?

1959 Convair 880 main-cabin
The independent report that the council commissioned suggests that no jobs will be created as the airport already must maintain night staff.

Think about that: no new jobs are on the balance sheet.

Also the likely use of these flights will not be to get trade into Thanet but use it as a stop over. The result being no new economic activity on the balance sheet.

We are being asked to let the airport operators out of their agreement for their personal profit in the hope that the minority that will suffer will be overlooked or ignored.

I can see that we, the people of Thanet, are being offered nothing but some of us are being asked to pay the price. For the balance to be fair none of us must suffer even slightly.

To put it another way - what's in it for us? (nothing).

I would suggest that we tell the council that unless we are offered something a bit more valuable than hot air that they say no and hold out for a significantly better offer.

What's your take on the question are you a yes, no or not sure (and why)?

BA Boeing 747-400
Have your say (there are ) · read more items categorised Business · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here

Don't fall for the scam

Just a reminder. Don't fall for the scam.

Virus phone scam being run from call centres in India | Technology | The Guardian

Britons targeted by cold callers pretending to be from Microsoft phoning to fix a fake computer problem

Have your say (there are ) · read more items categorised Elsewhere · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here

Three Thanet Blogs

Here are three blogs from and for Thanet that you might not be aware of.

Thanet News Network

A News Network for Thanet
Thanet News Network is a collaborative news project. Great for those of us that wish to occasionally contribute some news.

thanetwatch

Thanet Watch styles itself as the "Private Eye of Thanet". There is also a 20p printed edition that is available in some shops too.

Thanet Athletics Club - East Kent athletics coaching and competition

Thanet Athletics Club's website is also a blog. The club is offering coaching and competition in a range of athletics events.

Have your say (there are ) · read more items categorised Blogging · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here

A valuable lesson in very careful note taking

It has been pointed out to me by a certain young photographer from these parts that I might have misunderstood what I was being shown.

I know it happens to the best of us but it is still embarrassing when it happens to you. To make matters worse I can not immediately go back to the source document and ask myself "let me check a third time" as I do not have a copy of said document any more.

So it should probably be not be taken as read that Tesco are recruiting presumptively as they might not be. If I have got it wrong (and simply cannot check until Monday) I offer my apologies to all concerned.

Have your say (there are 1 Public Comment) · read more items categorised Blogging · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here

Tesco and Sainsbury's recruiting already.

Edit: It has been drawn to my attention that I may have misunderstood the information I was presented with. I'll get back to you when I have more.

Tesco and Sainsbury's have began recruiting for roles in the yet to be granted planning permission new buildings.

In a bit of a Thanet Star exclusive I can tell you that the two potential new supermarkets are expectantly seeking workers for the stores that they are planning. I know this as the Job Centre in Margate has provided me with application forms to fill out for these yet-to-be-built stores.

Does this suggest that regardless of local protests and official objections the supermarkets confidently expect to force their way through to planning permission?

...

» Continue Reading: Tesco and Sainsbury's recruiting already.

Have your say (there are 4 Public Comments) · read more items categorised Thanet · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here

The effect that the snow has affected

Given that Michael brings it up in his Sunday ramble I thought I would look up the difference between affect and effect.

Basically affect is the cause and effect is the result.

Now we can all talk about the effect that the snow has affected and sound like we had a reasonable education.

Affected/Effected

By selecting the general term epilepsy to stand for two more specific ideas, you seem to be trying to make it appear that affect and effect somehow mean the same thing. But the mere fact that two different words can be placed in the sameposition in a sentence proves nothing

Have your say (there are 2 Public Comments) · read more items categorised Blogging · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here

Yes, this is snow.

About 11:30 last night it began to snow. The snow was the light powdery type that fell quickly and got blown about all over.

That is all.

Have your say (there are 1 Public Comment) · read more items categorised Thanet · Don't miss a thing: Subscribe Today · Help: what's a feed? · This site is operated on set principles of policy and disclosure read them here
Byte Sized

Like to write?

If you love to write then the Thanet Creative Writers blog might be the ideal place to connect with your nearest writer group.

Blogs
Help us remove these Ads.
Byte Sized

Hyper-localism

For those interested in blogging local news in and arround the UK this BBC article from last year is sure to be of interest.

General
Byte Sized

Did you know?

Margate was the first seaside resort to introduce deck chairs way back in 1898.

Facts
Byte Sized

Did you know

MP Roger Gail (Thanet North) wanted to increase VAT

Facts
Byte Sized

Did you know

MP Roger Gale (Thanet North) has never voted on measures to reduce tax avoidance

Facts
Byte Sized

Too popular

On Wednesday 28th May the article The staggering truth about Gloag's Manston deal was so popular that it was briefly unreachable as the server could not supply pages fast enough.

Facts
 
 

Recent Comments

Gorokpob commented on Police called after crowds o...
Our members are devoted to embryonic care medicines which represent 80% of healthcare...
[17-04-2017 20:54:42]

Hamilcano commented on Police called after crowds o...
Le principe est, en theorie, dense et inscrit dans le corpus juris de la sante publique...
[17-04-2017 05:41:35]

SteveKn commented on Police called after crowds o...
But some medicines wouldn't het up b prepare if the bay window's digestive juices broke...
[15-04-2017 08:55:57]

Shakyorrat commented on Police called after crowds o...
It is the key medium of its kindly to acquaint with the … la mode scene of vaccine...
[15-04-2017 04:37:33]

Matt B commented on Stopping live exports from R...
Yes, that is right. The Lib Dems feel that working with the EU is a better way to do...
[13-04-2017 18:15:33]

Dave commented on Stopping live exports from R...
Once we are out of the EU then the law that prevents a ban being put in place can be...
[08-04-2017 15:54:32]

Dave commented on Who can we trust on Manston?
Thanet Moll you are behind the times. Riveroak have sold out their interest in Manston...
[05-04-2017 19:24:45]

Thanet Moll commented on Who can we trust on Manston?
Manston Airport WILL reopen as a freight hub because it is a Nationally Significant...
[05-04-2017 13:13:28]

Jacqui Ansell commented on Who can we trust on Manston?
Wrong geograpical location for either a spaceport or a profitable airport therefore...
[05-04-2017 13:12:29]

David Walsh commented on Who can we trust on Manston?
Save Manston Groups won the 2015 election by voting McKinley in as MP, and UKIP in as...
[04-04-2017 12:26:51]

Get the latest comments by feed

Thanet Finder

Thanet Finder is Thanet's search engine created by people like me and you.

Contact Us


Talk to us on Google+.

Connect with Thanet Star on twitter as @thanetstar

Thanet Star on Facebook

You can also leave a message